Embedding Python on Windows: why does it have to b

Question

I'm trying to write a software plug-in that embeds Python. On Windows the plug-in is technically a DLL (this may be relevant). The Python Windows FAQ says:

1.Do not build Python into your .exe file directly. On Windows, Python must be a DLL to handle importing modules that are themselves DLL’s. (This is the first key undocumented fact.) Instead, link to pythonNN.dll; it is typically installed in C:\Windows\System. NN is the Python version, a number such as “23” for Python 2.3.

My question is why exactly Python must be a DLL? If, as in my case, the host application is not an .exe, but also a DLL, could I build Python into it? Or, perhaps, this note means that third-party C extensions rely on pythonN.N.dll to be present and other DLL won't do? Assuming that I'd really want to have a single DLL, what should I do?

I see there's the dynload_win.c file, which appears to be the module to import C extensions on Windows and, as far as I can see, it scans the extension file to find which pythonX.X.dll it imports; but I'm not experienced with Windows and I don't quite understand all the code there.

Answer 1

Python needs to be a dll (with a standard name) such that your application, and the plugin, can use the same instance of python.

Plugin dlls are already going to expect to be loading (and using python from) a python26.dll (or whichever version) - if your python is statically embedded in your exe, then two different instances of the python library would be managing the same data structures.

If the python libraries use no static variables at all, and the compile settings are exactly the same this should not be a problem. However, generally its far safer to simply ensure that only one instance of the python interpreter is being used.

Answer 2

You need to link to pythonXY.dll as a DLL, instead of linking the relevant code directly into your executable, because otherwise the Python runtime can't load other DLLs (the extension modules it relies on.) If you make your own DLL you could theoretically link all the Python code in that DLL directly, since it doesn't end up in the executable but still in a DLL. You'll have to take care to do the linking correctly, however, as pretty much none of the standard tools (like distutils) will do this for you.

However, regardless of how you embed Python, you can't make do with just the DLL, nor can you make do with just any DLL. The ABI changes between Python versions, so if you compiled your code against Python 2.6, you need python26.dll; you can't use python25.dll or python27.dll. And Python isn't just a DLL; it also needs its standard library, which includes extension modules (which are DLLs themselves, although they have the .pyd extension.) The code in dynload_win.c you ran into is for loading those DLLs, and are not related to loading of pythonXY.dll.

In short, in order to embed Python in your plugin, you need to either ship Python with the plugin, or require that the right Python version is already installed.

Answer 3

On *nix, all shared objects in a process, including the executable, contribute their exported names into a common pool; any of the shared objects can then pull any of the names from the pool and use them as they like. This allows e.g. cStringIO.so to pull the relevant Python library functions from the main executable when the Python library is statically-linked.

On Windows, each shared object has its own independent pool of names it can use. This means that it must read the relevant different shared objects it needs functions from. Since it is a lot of work to get all the names from the main executable, the Python functions are separated out into their own DLL.

Answer 4

(Sorry, I did a stupid thing, I first wrote the question, and then registered, and now I cannot alter it or comment on the replies, because StackOverflow's engine doesn't think I'm the author. I cannot even properly thank those who replied :( So this is actually an update to the question and comments.)

Thanks for all the advice, it's very valuable. As far as I understand with some effort I can link Python statically into a custom DLL, provided that I compile other dynamically loaded extensions myself and link them against the same DLL. (I know I need to ship the standard library too; my plan was to append a zipped archive to the DLL file. As far as I understand, I will even be able to import pure Python modules from it.)

I also found an interesting place in dynload_win.c. (I understand it loads dynamic extensions that use Python C API, e.g. _ctypes.) As far as I can see it not only looks for init_ctypes symbol or whatever the extension name is, but also scans the .pyd file's import table looking for (regex) python\d+\. and then compares the found symbol with known pythonNN. string to make sure the extension was compiled for this version of Python. If the import table doesn't have such a symbol or it refers to another version, it raises an error.

For me it means that:

• If I link an extension against pythonNN.dll and try to load it from my custom DLL that includes a statically linked Python, it will pass the check, but — well, here I'm not sure: will it fail because there's no pythonNN.dll (i.e. even before getting to the check) or it will happily load the symbols?
• And if I link it against my custom DLL, it will find symbols, but won't pass the check :)

I guess I could rewrite this piece to suit my needs... Are there any other such places, I wonder.