What to use? MVC, MVP or MVVM or…?

I will start a Java project to develop a desktop application. What to use as presentation layer pattern (MVC, MVP,MVVM or....)?

...if it is possible, with some working small example... :-)

回答1:

Actually, the ultimate post you're looking for is ~~this answer~~ this answer from Karsten Lentzsch (of JGoodies fame) in the ~~Swing Frameworks and Best Practices~~ Swing Frameworks and Best Practices thread.

Hello,

I've been writing Swing apps for several years that many people find elegant. And I teach developers in working with Swing efficiently: how to structure and assemble applications, how to bind and validate date, as well as how to find, design, layout, and implement well-designed screens in Swing.

I'd say there are no "best practices" for Swing available online. And I doubt that anyone can provide "best" practices, because that would require discussions among Swing developers and solution providers about approaches, what works well technically and what is easy to understand, and work with. Also, best practices would explain who can achieve what result quality, and they would describe the production time and production costs; but I could never find these information online or in a Swing book.

In my opinion, the lack of good practices and information how to build a Swing app is the biggest obstacle developers face when starting with Swing. Most developers I worked with were slow in finding design, implementing layouts, building panels, binding data, handling events, and arranging the different code parts and code layers. And many Swing apps I've seen suck; besides their poor visual design they are difficult to understand and even small changes costs a lot. Typically developers had no clue where to put what code?, how to separate concerns?, how to tie things together?, how to work with Actions?, how to launch an app?, and how to store and restore UI state? Most developers lack guidelines to follow.

But I've found that the average developer can work well with Swing, if only taken by the hand - in about 3 to 10 days. Almost all of your questions can be answered or addressed by code, libraries, the application architecture, patterns, general programming practices, well-designed examples, tutorials, etc. I teach a Swing development process that is built around a 3-tier architecture that seperates the domain, tool and presentation layers and that is based on a productive layout system. Even though most parts are done programmatically developers get results quickly and both the code and visual design becomes quite consistent. This can boost a developer's productivity a lot - to the extent that the Swing work takes a significantly smaller fraction of the project work.

So what can you do? I strongly recommend to study Martin Fowler's draft for further "Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture". I've found that these patterns work really well with Swing and Swing teams - even for developers that are new to Swing and the Swing architecture. I'd pick the following patterns first: "Presentation Model", "Separated Domain", and "Separated Presentation". I personally favor the Presentation Model (Application Model for Smalltalkers), over the Model-View-Presenter pattern (MVP). However, MVP is a true and well studied alternative.

Fowler's patterns can be combined with a 3-client-tier architecture that scales well for moderately large Swing applications. It consists of a domain layer, a presentation layer, and a mediating model layer. I've outlined this architecture in my data binding presentation. MVP-based apps can be structured in these 3 client tiers too.

A key task for Swing applications is the data binding: how to connect domain objects and domain object properties to the Swing components. Basically you can copy your data back and forth, or build chains of adapters from your domain objects to the UI components. The copying approach is easy to understand and often the first choice for those who are new to Swing or data binding; I'd say this is a good choice. On the other hand, copying makes it much harder to synchronize views. Adapter chains and automatic or semi-automatic updates can significantly reduce the amount of code necessary to bind domain data to the UI. The downside is, that this approach is much harder to understand. As you've pointed out, Swing provides no great abstraction for a reusable and flexible model that can be used to bind text fields; the Document interface isn't appropriate for generic data access. There are a few libraries available that provide a ValueModel interface that is just intended to add a generic, powerful, and flexible model for single-valued data: Strings, booleans, numbers, dates, etc.

I'm not aware of a Swing book that explains a true Swing application development process. Ideally such a book would combine the patterns, architecture, and data binding techniques mentioned above and would describe how to implement it in Swing. Anyway, there's a 10-years old documentation for a Smalltalk application development process that does just that. Oracle's JClient architecture and documentation is not that complete but may be easier to read for Java developers. I provide a presentation about data binding that is about the Fowler patterns, a 3-tier architecture and a Swing implementation for these patterns and an automatic data binding. The tutorial sources of my Binding library may help you get aquainted with adapter chains and the ValueModel interface. The best documentation for the MVP pattern can be found in the Dolphin Smalltalk docs.

Once you've choosen your architecture and desktop pattern set, you should address the following more basic Swing tasks: 1) improve the appearance by choosing a set of professional look&feels appropriate for your target platform set, 2) choose a layout system that helps you build well designed and consistent screens quickly, 3) choose a data validation solution, and 4) grab a bag of solutions for everyday Swing tasks.

There are a couple of projects that outline a Swing architecture, address the data binding and typical Swing tasks, for example: Sun's JDNC, Oracle's JClient/ADF, the Spring RCP, the NetBeans platform. I provide a commercial suite of Swing solutions that is based on the open source JGoodies libraries and adds a bag of solutions and sources for all public JGoodies tools and demos. These sources are intended to explain how to tie together all issues mentioned above.

Let me add my standard warning about so called "MVC" frameworks. Swing doesn't use MVC, it uses a modified pattern. MVC is frequently misquoted and misunderstood - especially in the context of Swing. Also, MVC is good for UI components, not for applications. Hence I recommend to look for concepts, solutions, and libraries that reflect and work with the Swing architecture, not MVC.

The inventor community of the MVC pattern introduced the ApplicationModel (now known as Presentation Model) around 1993; MVP followed a bit later. In my opinion these two patterns are much more useful for Swing than MVC. Recently the environment that brought the Presentation Model pattern to a larger audience moved on to a new architecture: "Pollock". Interested readers may google to see how that differs from the adapter chains that are often combined with Presentation Models.

Last but not least a personal statement. I can work much better with Swing than with other toolkits or frameworks I used before; I can do more with less code, the code is better structured, it's easier to maintain, and I get results quickly.

Hope this helps. Best regards, Karsten Lentzsch

References: Fowler's further patterns - http://martinfowler.com/eaaDev Data binding presentation - http://www.jgoodies.com/articles/ Smalltalk app dev process - http://www.cincom.com/downloads/pdf/AppDevGuide.pdf MVP pattern documentation - http://www.object-arts.com/EducationCentre/Patterns/MVP.htm Sun's JDNC project home - http://jdnc.dev.java.net/ Oracle's ADF FAQ - http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/htdocs/905/adffaq_otn.html Spring RCP project home - http://www.springframework.org/spring-rcp.html NetBeans platform home - http://www.netbeans.org/products/platform/ JGoodies Swing Suite - http://www.jgoodies.com/products/index.html

If you don't know Karsten and JGoodies, then believe me, this guy really knows what he's talking about. I warmly recommend to read carefully his answer and the material he posted as reference. More specifically, be sure to check his Desktop Patterns and Data Binding presentation. Surprisingly, I prefer the old version to the new one.

Let me quote his slide about MVC vs MVP:

Yes, Swing uses an extended form of MVC internally
But MVC is for components, MVP is for applications

And then from the Summary:

Separate the domain from the presentation!
That is Separated Presentation.
Separate Autonomous View if appropriate
Choose MVP or Presentation Model

Swing makes Presentation Model easy
PM requires a binding solution

But I can't do a better job than Karsten at explaining this, I can at best paraphrase him. So just read him!

Also maybe have a look at Desktop Java demos for learning (more precisely Scott Violet's answer).

回答2:

Here is an article which compares three GUI patterns in Java used to implement the same screen three times:

Implementing event-driven GUI patterns using the ZK Java AJAX framework, Simon Massey, Sachin K Mahajan

Since different frameworks and languages have slight variations on what people feel is MVP, MVC, MVVM and MVVMP etc etc the article is careful to refer to the patterns by the long names given by Martin Fowler not the short hand M__ monikers which are easy to argue about.

Clearly ZK is a web or mobile desktop-like programming environment but the patterns are equally applicable to Swing or another fat client framework. However without a good databinding framework for a certain desktop environment it is not very feasible to attempt MVVM. Hence in this early presentation the "Presentation Model" pattern is given the moniker "MVB" for Model-View-Binder as an alternative to calling it "MVVM":

Design Patterns in ZK: Java MVVM as Model-View-Binder, Simon Massey

回答3:

You could take a look at this article: Hello ZK MVVM. ZK supports both MVP and MVVM, and this article might provide some insights for your choice -- the programming model is similar to Swing, thought it is a Web framework.

回答4:

I would also recommend you to use Google to find more information since your question is really vague. Anyway, since you want to do your desktop application in Java, and you'll probably use Swing, I just want to point that Swing is designed with a MVC pattern in mind. Anyway you can easily modify it to a MVP using some extra interfaces.

If you're unsure about the pattern, I would recommend to use the MVC. You'll find much more examples.

My 2 cents.