Django ManyToMany relation to 'self' witho

There are several question about backwards relations here, but I'm either too dumb to understand them or think they don't fit my case.

I have model

class MyModel(models.Model)
    stuff = models.ManyToManyField('self', related_name = 'combined+')

I have created form where i combine the information stored. And it stores object relations in database like that:

Table:

id:from_stuff_id:to_stuff_id
1:original_object_id:first_related_object
2:original_object_id:second_related_object
3:first_related_object:original_object_id
4:second_related_object:original_object_id

So when i display object first_related_object and check for relations with

myobject.stuff.all()

Then i get the "original_object". But i do not need it. I wish it would show no backwards relation like that.

Edit1

So i suck at explaining myself.

Perhaps this code will better illustrate what i want.

myobjectone = MyModel.objects.get(pk = 1)
myobjecttwo = MyModel.objects.get(pk = 2)
myobjectthree = MyModel.objects.get(pk = 3)
myobjectone.stuff.add(myobjecttwo)
myobjectone.stuff.add(myobjectthree)
myobjectone.stuff.all()
[myobjecttwo, myobjectthree] <-- this i want
myobjecttwo.stuff.all()
[myobjectone]<-- this i do not want
myobjectthree.stuff.all()
[myobjectone]<-- this i do not want

Now only question is - if i should even use stuff.all() if i dont want the results they yield and should write my own manager/methods to get list of objects which excludes backward relations.

/edit1

edit2 In response to Henry Florence:

Okay - i did test it with empty base and it looks like symmetrical = False does have database level differences. I think.

I created empty table with symmetrical = False, then creating adding relations did not spawn backwards relations. If i created empty table without symmetrical = False. Then they were. Setting symmetrical = False makes no difference AFTER tables have been created. So i guess the differences are on database level.

/edit2 So what am i supposed to do here?

Write my own manager or something?

Alan

My understanding of the question is that the ManyToMany relationship should be one way, in that if the following is true:

             --------------           ----------------
             | mymodelone |---------->|  mymodeltwo  |
             --------------     |     ----------------
                                |
                                |     ----------------
                                ----->| mymodelthree |
                                      ----------------

Then there should not be an implicit relationship in the other direction:

             --------------           ----------------
             | mymodelone |<-----/----|  mymodeltwo  |
             --------------           ----------------

             --------------           ----------------
             | mymodelone |<-----/----| mymodelthree |
             --------------           ----------------

ManyToMany fields have a symmetrical property which by default is True, see: here.

To create a new app to demonstrate the non symmetric ManyToMany field:

Create a new app:

$ python ./manage.py startapp stuff

Add stuff app in settings.py:

...
INSTALLED_APPS = (
    'django.contrib.admin',
    'django.contrib.auth',
    'django.contrib.contenttypes',
    'django.contrib.sessions',
    'django.contrib.messages',
    'django.contrib.staticfiles',
    'stuff'
)
....

edit `stuff/models.py:

from django.db import models

class MyModel(models.Model):
    stuff = models.ManyToManyField('self', related_name = 'combined+', symmetrical=False, blank = True, null = True, verbose_name = "description")

    def __unicode__(self):
        return "MyModel%i" % self.id

Sync the db:

$ python ./manage.py syncdb
Creating tables ...
Creating table stuff_mymodel_stuff
Creating table stuff_mymodel
Installing custom SQL ...
Installing indexes ...
Installed 0 object(s) from 0 fixture(s)

and then test in the django shell:

$ python ./manage.py shell
>>> from stuff.models import MyModel
>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel.objects.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel1>, <MyModel: MyModel2>, <MyModel: MyModel3>]
>>> m1 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=1)
>>> m2 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=2)
>>> m3 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=3)
>>> m1.stuff.all()
[]
>>> m1.stuff.add(m2)
>>> m1.stuff.add(m3)
>>> m1.stuff.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel2>, <MyModel: MyModel3>]
>>> m2.stuff.all()
[]
>>> m3.stuff.all()
[]
>>>

Edit - ManyToMany relationship on existing models

The symmetry of the ManyToManyField is created when the models are written to the database, rather than when they are read. If we alter the model to:

from django.db import models

class MyModel(models.Model):
    stuff = models.ManyToManyField('self', related_name = 'combined+')

def __unicode__(self):
    return "MyModel%i" % self.id

Create new MyModel instances:

>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel.objects.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel1>, <MyModel: MyModel2>, <MyModel: MyModel3>, <MyModel: MyModel4>, <MyModel: MyModel5>]
>>> m4 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=4)
>>> m5 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=5)
>>> m4.stuff.add(m5)
>>> m4.stuff.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel5>]
>>> m5.stuff.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel4>]

As expected the stuff ManyToManyField is creating symmetrical relations. If we then set the ManyToManyField to symmetrical = False:

>>> from stuff.models import MyModel
>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel().save()
>>> MyModel.objects.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel1>, <MyModel: MyModel2>, <MyModel: MyModel3>, <MyModel: MyModel4>, <MyModel: MyModel5>, <MyModel: MyModel6>, <MyModel: MyModel7>]
>>> m6 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=6)
>>> m7 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=7)
>>> m6.stuff.all()
[]
>>> m7.stuff.all()
[]
>>> m6.stuff.add(m7)
>>> m6.stuff.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel7>]
>>> m7.stuff.all()
[]
>>> m5 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=5)
>>> m4 = MyModel.objects.get(pk=4)
>>> m4.stuff.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel5>]
>>> m5.stuff.all()
[<MyModel: MyModel4>]

It can be seen the new ManyToMany relation between m6 and m7 is not symmetrical, however the existing one, between m4 and m5 is still symmetrical as the model stated when those objects were created.

Edit - additional database constraints with a symmetrical foreign key

Apologies to the reader to the length of this answer, we seem to be exploring this problem at some depth.

In sql a many to many relation is modeled by creating a table that holds all the information unique to the relation - usually just the primary key value of the two tables.

So for our MyModel, django creates two tables:

             -----------------           -----------------------
             | stuff_mymodel |---------->| stuff_mymodel_stuff |
             -----------------           -----------------------
                      ^                              |
                      |                              |
                      --------------------------------

The links shown in the diagram are represented by primary key or id values within the schema:

mysql> describe stuff_mymodel;
+-------+---------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
| Field | Type    | Null | Key | Default | Extra          |
+-------+---------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
| id    | int(11) | NO   | PRI | NULL    | auto_increment |
+-------+---------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> describe stuff_mymodel_stuff;
+-----------------+---------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
| Field           | Type    | Null | Key | Default | Extra          |
+-----------------+---------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
| id              | int(11) | NO   | PRI | NULL    | auto_increment |
| from_mymodel_id | int(11) | NO   | MUL | NULL    |                |
| to_mymodel_id   | int(11) | NO   | MUL | NULL    |                |
+-----------------+---------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
3 rows in set (0.00 sec)

And shown as the output from the Django manage.py script:

$ python ./manage.py sql stuff
    BEGIN;
CREATE TABLE `stuff_mymodel_stuff` (
    `id` integer AUTO_INCREMENT NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    `from_mymodel_id` integer NOT NULL,
    `to_mymodel_id` integer NOT NULL,
    UNIQUE (`from_mymodel_id`, `to_mymodel_id`)
)
;
CREATE TABLE `stuff_mymodel` (
    `id` integer AUTO_INCREMENT NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY
)
;
ALTER TABLE `stuff_mymodel_stuff` ADD CONSTRAINT `from_mymodel_id_refs_id_7fa00238` FOREIGN KEY (`from_mymodel_id`) REFERENCES `stuff_mymodel` (`id`);
ALTER TABLE `stuff_mymodel_stuff` ADD CONSTRAINT `to_mymodel_id_refs_id_7fa00238` FOREIGN KEY (`to_mymodel_id`) REFERENCES `stuff_mymodel` (`id`);
COMMIT;

This sql is the same irrespective if the django ManyToManyField is symmetrical or not. The only difference is the number of rows created in the stuff_mymodel_stuff table:

mysql> select * from stuff_mymodel_stuff;
+----+-----------------+---------------+
| id | from_mymodel_id | to_mymodel_id |
+----+-----------------+---------------+
|  1 |               1 |             2 |
|  2 |               1 |             3 |
|  3 |               4 |             5 |
|  4 |               5 |             4 |
|  5 |               6 |             7 |
+----+-----------------+---------------+
5 rows in set (0.00 sec)

The link m4 -> m5 being symmetrical and the others not. Digging around in the Django source we can find the code responsible for creating the 'mirror' entry in the sql, if symmetrical is True:

    # If the ManyToMany relation has an intermediary model,
    # the add and remove methods do not exist.
    if rel.through._meta.auto_created:
        def add(self, *objs):
            self._add_items(self.source_field_name, self.target_field_name, *objs)

            # If this is a symmetrical m2m relation to self, add the mirror entry in the m2m table
            if self.symmetrical:
                self._add_items(self.target_field_name, self.source_field_name, *objs)
        add.alters_data = True

This is currently line 605 on github: https://github.com/django/django/blob/master/django/db/models/fields/related.py

Hope this answers all your queries.