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问题:
Given:
Applicative m, Monad m => mf :: m (a -> b), ma :: m a
it seems to be considered a law that:
mf <*> ma === do { f <- mf; a <- ma; return (f a) }
or more concisely:
(<*>) === ap
The documentation for Control.Applicative
says that <*>
is "sequential application," and that suggests that (<*>) = ap
. This means that <*>
must evaluate effects sequentially from left to right, for consistency with >>=
... But that feels wrong. McBride and Paterson's original paper seems to imply that the left-to-right sequencing is arbitrary:
The IO monad, and indeed any Monad, can be made Applicative by taking pure
=
return
and <*>
= ap
. We could alternatively use the variant of ap
that performs
the computations in the opposite order, but we shall keep to the left-to-right order
in this paper.
So there are two lawful, non-trivial derivations for <*>
that follow from >>=
and return
, with distinct behavior. And in some cases, neither of these two derivations are desirable.
For example, the (<*>) === ap
law forces Data.Validation to define two distinct data types: Validation
and AccValidation
. The former has a Monad
instance similar to ExceptT, and a consistent Applicative
instance which is of limited utility, since it stops after the first error. The latter, on the other hand, doesn't define a Monad
instance, and is therefore free to implement an Applicative
that, much more usefully, accumulates errors.
There's been some discussion about this previously on StackOverflow, but I don't think it really got to the meat of the question:
Why should this be a law?
The other laws for functors, applicatives and monads—such as identity, associativity, etc.—express some fundamental, mathematical properties of those structures. We can implement various optimizations using these laws and prove things about our own code using them. In contrast, it feels to me like the (<*>) === ap
law imposes an arbitrary constraint with no corresponding benefit.
For what it's worth, I'd prefer to ditch the law in favor of something like this:
newtype LeftA m a = LeftA (m a)
instance Monad m => Applicative (LeftA m) where
pure = return
mf <*> ma = do { f <- mf; a <- ma; return (f a) }
newtype RightA m a = RightA (m a)
instance Monad m => Applicative (RightA m) where
pure = return
mf <*> ma = do { a <- ma; f <- mf; return (f a) }
I think that correctly captures the relationship between the two, without unduly constraining either.
So, a few angles to approach the question from:
- Are there any other laws relating
Monad
and Applicative
?
- Is there any inherent mathematical reason for effects to sequence for
Applicative
in the same way that they do for Monad
?
- Does GHC or any other tool perform code transformations that assume/require this law to be true?
- Why is the Functor-Applicative-Monad proposal considered such an overwhelmingly good thing? (Citations would be much appreciated here).
And one bonus question:
- How do
Alternative
and MonadPlus
fit in to all this?
Note: major edit to clarify the meat of the question. Answer posted by @duplode quotes an earlier version.
回答1:
Well, I'm not terribly satisfied with the answers given so far, but I think the comments attached to them are a bit more compelling. So I'll summarize here:
I think there's only one sensible Functor
instance that follows from Applicative
:
fmap f fa = pure f <*> fa
Assuming that's unique, it makes sense that Functor
should be a superclass of Applicative
, with that law. Likewise, I think there's only one sensible Functor
instance that follows from Monad
:
fmap f fa = fa >>= return . f
So again, it makes sense that Functor
should be a superclass of Monad
. The objection I had (and, really, still have) is that there are two sensible Applicative
instances that follow from Monad
and, in some specific instances, even more that are lawful; so why mandate one?
pigworker (first author on the original Applicative
paper) writes:
"Of course it doesn't follow. It's a choice."
(on twitter): "do-notation is unjust punishment for working in a monad; we deserve applicative notation"
duplode similarly writes:
"... it is fair to say that pure === return
and (<*>) === ap
aren't laws in the strong sense that e.g. the monad laws are so ..."
"On the LeftA
/RightA
idea: there are comparable cases elsewhere in the standard libraries (e.g. Sum
and Product
in Data.Monoid
). The problem of doing the same with Applicative
is that the power-to-weight relation is too low to justify the extra precision/flexibility. The newtypes would make applicative style a lot less pleasant to use."
So, I'm happy to see that choice stated explicitly, justified by the simple reasoning that it makes the most common cases easier.
回答2:
Among other things, you ask why is the Functor-Applicative-Monad
proposal a good thing. One reason is because the lack of unity means there is a lot of duplication of API. Consider the standard Control.Monad
module. The following are the functions in that module that essentially use the Monad
(there are none for MonadPlus
) constraint:
(>>=) fail (=<<) (>=>) (<=<) join foldM foldM_
The following are the functions in that module where a Monad
/MonadPlus
constraint could as far as I can tell easily be relaxed to Applicative
/Alternative
:
(>>) return mzero mplus mapM mapM_ forM forM_ sequence sequence_ forever
msum filterM mapAndUnzipM zipWithM zipWithM_ replicateM replicateM_ guard
when unless liftM liftM2 liftM3 liftM4 liftM5 ap
Many of the latter group do have Applicative
or Alternative
versions, in either Control.Applicative
, Data.Foldable
or Data.Traversable
– but why need to learn all that duplication in the first place?
回答3:
and in my own (perhaps mistaken) intuition, given pure f <*> ma <*> mb
, there needn't be any predetermined sequencing since none of the values depend on each other.
The values don't, but the effects do. (<*>) :: t (a -> b) -> t a -> t b
means that you have to somehow combine the effects of the arguments in order to get the overall effects. Whether the combination will be commutative or not depends on how the instance is defined. For example, the instance for Maybe
is commutative, while the default, "cross join" instance for lists isn't. Therefore, there are cases in which you can't avoid imposing some order.
What are the laws, if any, relating Monad and Applicative?
While it is fair to say that pure === return
and (<*>) === ap
(quoting Control.Applicative
) aren't laws in the strong sense that e.g. the monad laws are so, they help keeping the instances unsurprising. Given that every Monad
gives rise to an instance of Applicative
(actually two instances, as you point out), it is natural that the actual instance of Applicative
matches what Monad
gives us. As for the left-to-right convention, following the order of ap
and liftM2
(which already existed back when Applicative
was introduced, and which mirror the order imposed by (>>=)
) was a sensible decision. (Note that, if we ignored for a moment how much (>>=)
matters in practice, the opposite choice would be defensible as well, as it would make (<*>)
and (=<<)
, which have analogous types, sequence effects in the same order.)
Does GHC or any other tool perform code transformations that assume/require this law to be true?
That sounds very unlikely given that Applicative
isn't even a superclass of Monad
(yet). These "laws", however, allow readers of the code to make the transformations, which matters just as much.
N.B.: If you need to reverse the sequencing of effects in an Applicative
instance, there is Control.Applicative.Backwards
, as Gabriel Gonzalez has pointed out. Also, (<**>)
flips the arguments but still sequences effects from left to right, so it can also be used to reverse sequencing. Similarly, (<*)
is not flip (*>)
, as both sequence effects from left to right.
回答4:
Just for the record, the answer to the question in the title is: consider
sequenceA :: Applicative f, Traversable t => t (f a) -> f (t a)
join :: Monad m => m (m a) -> m a
What is the type of join . sequenceA
?
- ATP:
Monad m, Traversable m => m (m a) -> m a
- Current situation:
Applicative m, Monad m, Traversable m => m (m a) -> m a
Granted, join . sequenceA
is a contrived situation, but there are certainly cases where you need a monad, but you'd also like to use the Applicative
operations <*>
, *>
, <*
, <**>
, etc. Then:
- Having two separate constraints to capture both operations is annoying.
- The
Applicative
names is (IMHO) nicer than those of the traditional monad operations.
- Having two different names, e.g.
ap
, >>
, <<
, etc., is annoying ("oh, you can't use <*>
there, that's a Monad
not an Applicative
"; "oh, you have to use <*>
there, that's an Applicative
not a Monad
").
- In real monads, the order is really, really important, which means that if
>>
and *>
do different things, then you can't actually use the Applicative
syntax, because it'll do something you don't expect.
So, pragmatically, having an Applicative
for every Monad
which is compatible with it (in the (<*>) = ap
sense) is a really, really good idea.